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	<title>Comments on: Mandatory ISP Filter Mind Map</title>
	<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/</link>
	<description>...or .NET and other stuff that wouldn't fit into Mike's day job.</description>
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		<title>By: Quixotic Conroy &#171; MikeFitz with overflow bit set&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-90217</link>
		<author>Quixotic Conroy &#171; MikeFitz with overflow bit set&#8230;</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 02:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-90217</guid>
		<description>[...] may recall my earlier post where I presented a Mind Map of the arguments against Senator Conroy&#8217;s Mandatory ISP Filter [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] may recall my earlier post where I presented a Mind Map of the arguments against Senator Conroy&#8217;s Mandatory ISP Filter [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Edward</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-78007</link>
		<author>Sean Edward</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-78007</guid>
		<description>re ricky_elias:  'Freedom of speech' and 'freedom of expression' (or freedom to READ) may be different terms but are certainly not treated as mutually exclusive throughout history in both legal instruments and philosophical discourse.  Today, we generally use the term 'freedom of information' to refer to such freedoms on the internet.  

The names may change but the essential qualities of all three expressions remain the same; the unfettered movement of ideas in society.

From a campaign perspective, I would suggest using the term 'Freedom of Speech' (with Caps) instead of, or along side, the other two because 'Freedom of Speech' is more loaded and sensational - in the same manner you employ the word PROHIBITION instead of CENSORSHIP - it will prick the ears of even the staunchest conservative.  The same cannot be said of 'freedom of expression and/or information' (which conjure up images of hippies searching google for tips on how to grow weed)

Yes, this is pure politiking but we should, at least on one flank, be fighting fire with fire (note: the U.S. Gov uses the term (f.o.speech) when commenting on China's censorship but falls back to the other two terms (expression/information) when discussing it's own domestic censorship intentions).  

As for the debate diagram: the arguments presented are, on the whole, moderate and sound (in political speak: soft)  The fed Labor machine will happily dispose of them before breakfast on any given day.  

We are up against both major parties here and they will run a serious scare campaign on serveral fronts - illegal porn, rec drug manufacturing, bomb making, terrorist activities - and if we cannot wage a similar war based on sensationalist humbug then we have no chance of stopping this legislation.

On the whole, I don't believe we have any hope of thwarting this book- burning legislation unless we turn it into a political football (think climate change/border protection).  We must muddy the waters of right and wrong so that the policy gets stuck in no-mans land.  

Information Prohibition must, at the very least, stand in direct opposition to Freedom of Speech.  Idea's must be allowed their own Due Process.  Internet Prohibition must be seen as un-democratic and downright un-Australian. 

And so the question remains; can we get Warnie on the bandwagon before they do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re ricky_elias:  &#8216;Freedom of speech&#8217; and &#8216;freedom of expression&#8217; (or freedom to READ) may be different terms but are certainly not treated as mutually exclusive throughout history in both legal instruments and philosophical discourse.  Today, we generally use the term &#8216;freedom of information&#8217; to refer to such freedoms on the internet.  </p>
<p>The names may change but the essential qualities of all three expressions remain the same; the unfettered movement of ideas in society.</p>
<p>From a campaign perspective, I would suggest using the term &#8216;Freedom of Speech&#8217; (with Caps) instead of, or along side, the other two because &#8216;Freedom of Speech&#8217; is more loaded and sensational - in the same manner you employ the word PROHIBITION instead of CENSORSHIP - it will prick the ears of even the staunchest conservative.  The same cannot be said of &#8216;freedom of expression and/or information&#8217; (which conjure up images of hippies searching google for tips on how to grow weed)</p>
<p>Yes, this is pure politiking but we should, at least on one flank, be fighting fire with fire (note: the U.S. Gov uses the term (f.o.speech) when commenting on China&#8217;s censorship but falls back to the other two terms (expression/information) when discussing it&#8217;s own domestic censorship intentions).  </p>
<p>As for the debate diagram: the arguments presented are, on the whole, moderate and sound (in political speak: soft)  The fed Labor machine will happily dispose of them before breakfast on any given day.  </p>
<p>We are up against both major parties here and they will run a serious scare campaign on serveral fronts - illegal porn, rec drug manufacturing, bomb making, terrorist activities - and if we cannot wage a similar war based on sensationalist humbug then we have no chance of stopping this legislation.</p>
<p>On the whole, I don&#8217;t believe we have any hope of thwarting this book- burning legislation unless we turn it into a political football (think climate change/border protection).  We must muddy the waters of right and wrong so that the policy gets stuck in no-mans land.  </p>
<p>Information Prohibition must, at the very least, stand in direct opposition to Freedom of Speech.  Idea&#8217;s must be allowed their own Due Process.  Internet Prohibition must be seen as un-democratic and downright un-Australian. </p>
<p>And so the question remains; can we get Warnie on the bandwagon before they do?</p>
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		<title>By: MikeFitz</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-77956</link>
		<author>MikeFitz</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-77956</guid>
		<description>Thanks for your comment, Ricky.

Actually I believe there are already OPT-IN choices available. At least one Australian ISP has spotted the potential market and is already offering a "cleaned feed" using one of the commercially available filtering packages. This offers both advantages of no local configuration required PLUS no cost to the taxpayer.

You mention the threat to free speech and others have done this too. I don't so much see the filter as a block on what we can SAY. Rather it is a block on what we can READ. It infringes our ability to read ALL the information available on a censored topic. We as a nation will then make poor decisions based on only what our government wants us to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Ricky.</p>
<p>Actually I believe there are already OPT-IN choices available. At least one Australian ISP has spotted the potential market and is already offering a &#8220;cleaned feed&#8221; using one of the commercially available filtering packages. This offers both advantages of no local configuration required PLUS no cost to the taxpayer.</p>
<p>You mention the threat to free speech and others have done this too. I don&#8217;t so much see the filter as a block on what we can SAY. Rather it is a block on what we can READ. It infringes our ability to read ALL the information available on a censored topic. We as a nation will then make poor decisions based on only what our government wants us to read.</p>
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		<title>By: ricky_elias</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-77951</link>
		<author>ricky_elias</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-77951</guid>
		<description>I like the idea of limiting the debate to non technical arguments. This allows the discussion to engage a majority, who can influence these decisions.

Many people will value the filter as a service that blocks undesirable content without the concern (and direct cost) of configuring the filter themselves. This argument itself may be good policy politically.

Recommending a policy that mandates the filter is provided by all Aus ISP's as an OPT-IN service may be worth consideration. This is an opposing argument to “the filter is a waste of taxpayer funds” and should be considered in that context. It is a political solution that would satisfy those who stand to profit (40-50m) from developing the filter and more importantly, the non-technical majority who see the filter as a commoditised government service that resolves the complex technical problem of how to filter content considered unacceptable by an authority whom they trust.

I'd also like to see some reference to the risks that a mandatory filter would introduce to free speech included. Possibly related to the proposition that "its PROHIBITION". Free speech is a right that most people recognise, value and are likely to support. Even with a high level of ignorance for the other technical details of the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of limiting the debate to non technical arguments. This allows the discussion to engage a majority, who can influence these decisions.</p>
<p>Many people will value the filter as a service that blocks undesirable content without the concern (and direct cost) of configuring the filter themselves. This argument itself may be good policy politically.</p>
<p>Recommending a policy that mandates the filter is provided by all Aus ISP&#8217;s as an OPT-IN service may be worth consideration. This is an opposing argument to “the filter is a waste of taxpayer funds” and should be considered in that context. It is a political solution that would satisfy those who stand to profit (40-50m) from developing the filter and more importantly, the non-technical majority who see the filter as a commoditised government service that resolves the complex technical problem of how to filter content considered unacceptable by an authority whom they trust.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to see some reference to the risks that a mandatory filter would introduce to free speech included. Possibly related to the proposition that &#8220;its PROHIBITION&#8221;. Free speech is a right that most people recognise, value and are likely to support. Even with a high level of ignorance for the other technical details of the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: ISP Filter WILL Disadvantage Australian Companies &#171; MikeFitz with overflow bit set&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-77672</link>
		<author>ISP Filter WILL Disadvantage Australian Companies &#171; MikeFitz with overflow bit set&#8230;</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-77672</guid>
		<description>[...] bit set&#8230;  &#8230;or .NET and other stuff that wouldn't fit into Mike's day job.      &#171; Mandatory ISP Filter Mind Map  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] bit set&#8230;  &hellip;or .NET and other stuff that wouldn&#8217;t fit into Mike&#8217;s day job.      &laquo; Mandatory ISP Filter Mind Map  [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: MikeFitz</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-76940</link>
		<author>MikeFitz</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-76940</guid>
		<description>I'm inclined to agree, Jeff. But I have to keep telling myself, "The bad policy is the enemy. Don't get sidetracked by the personalities."

The betrayal by Labor of one of the key demographics (intelligent internet users) that got them elected, is unconscionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m inclined to agree, Jeff. But I have to keep telling myself, &#8220;The bad policy is the enemy. Don&#8217;t get sidetracked by the personalities.&#8221;</p>
<p>The betrayal by Labor of one of the key demographics (intelligent internet users) that got them elected, is unconscionable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-76655</link>
		<author>Jeff</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-76655</guid>
		<description>At the bottom of the map you have "Some of us worked very hard to get Mr Rudd elected", followed by "He has allowed Senator Conroy to treat us with contempt".

That should read "He has INSTRUCTED Senator Conroy..."

Rudd has not _allowed_ Conroy to do anything, and I doubt Conroy could reach his **** with either hand on a good day, especially when it comes to IT or social matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the bottom of the map you have &#8220;Some of us worked very hard to get Mr Rudd elected&#8221;, followed by &#8220;He has allowed Senator Conroy to treat us with contempt&#8221;.</p>
<p>That should read &#8220;He has INSTRUCTED Senator Conroy&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Rudd has not _allowed_ Conroy to do anything, and I doubt Conroy could reach his **** with either hand on a good day, especially when it comes to IT or social matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Conroy will ruin the internet for Australia &#124; Web advice for business</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-76611</link>
		<author>Conroy will ruin the internet for Australia &#124; Web advice for business</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-76611</guid>
		<description>[...] was just reading some excellent information by @MikeFitzAU about the &#8220;clean feed&#8221; planned by Senator Conroy here in Australia. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] was just reading some excellent information by @MikeFitzAU about the &#8220;clean feed&#8221; planned by Senator Conroy here in Australia. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: MikeFitz</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-76610</link>
		<author>MikeFitz</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-76610</guid>
		<description>Thanks, Geordie. You're right, I should have said "badly defined" - it's over-broad as far as average Aussies are concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Geordie. You&#8217;re right, I should have said &#8220;badly defined&#8221; - it&#8217;s over-broad as far as average Aussies are concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Geordie</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-76591</link>
		<author>Geordie</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2010/01/22/mandatory-isp-filter-mind-map/#comment-76591</guid>
		<description>Nice work Mike, but RC isn't "poorly defined", it's really quite clearly defined, and it DOES include euthanasia information.  Check out http://libertus.net/censor/ispfiltering-au-govplan.html#RC for the details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work Mike, but RC isn&#8217;t &#8220;poorly defined&#8221;, it&#8217;s really quite clearly defined, and it DOES include euthanasia information.  Check out <a href="http://libertus.net/censor/ispfiltering-au-govplan.html#RC" rel="nofollow">http://libertus.net/censor/ispfiltering-au-govplan.html#RC</a> for the details.</p>
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