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	<title>Comments on: Tolerance is not enough</title>
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		<title>By: MikeFitz</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23563</link>
		<author>MikeFitz</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23563</guid>
		<description>G'day SNF and welcome.

Acceptance? Tolerance? Maybe the word I'm searching for is Respect?

I suppose the important thing is how we actually treat other people, both individually and collectively, both people who share our views and people who don't.

When meeting people from other countries, other races, other religions, I find it is helpful to *accept* that there are differences - and then ignore them. Instead, concentrate on our similarities. We all have something in common.

As Sting said towards the end of the Cold War: &lt;em&gt;The Russians love their children too.&lt;/em&gt; I bet this also applies to Sudanese refugees, Muslims, Israelis, Palestinians, boat people, even Collingwood and Pauline Hanson supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;day SNF and welcome.</p>
<p>Acceptance? Tolerance? Maybe the word I&#8217;m searching for is Respect?</p>
<p>I suppose the important thing is how we actually treat other people, both individually and collectively, both people who share our views and people who don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>When meeting people from other countries, other races, other religions, I find it is helpful to *accept* that there are differences - and then ignore them. Instead, concentrate on our similarities. We all have something in common.</p>
<p>As Sting said towards the end of the Cold War: <em>The Russians love their children too.</em> I bet this also applies to Sudanese refugees, Muslims, Israelis, Palestinians, boat people, even Collingwood and Pauline Hanson supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Saturday Night Fiver</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23351</link>
		<author>Saturday Night Fiver</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23351</guid>
		<description>I had a bit of a think about this and I'm not so sure I can accept the idea.

My belief is that a casual acceptance of differing views is the real mark of condescension because it means you don't really give a damn about those views. The flip side is that anyone talking about acceptance clearly wishes their views to be accepted too. So it's a bit of quid pro quo, which isn't really very civil. 

Tolerance, on the other hand, provides an environment where views can be discussed. It allows for the human habit of disagreement, even recalcitrance. Tolerance is achievable; acceptance strikes me as too much "let them eat cake" ... and we all know where that lead. It's very easy to be accepting of things that are far removed from us.

As far as religion goes, I am reminded of something Douglas Adams once said:

"If somebody thinks taxes should go up or down you are free to have an argument about it, but on the other hand if somebody says 'I mustn't move a light switch on a Saturday', you say, 'Fine, I respect that'."

By the way: your blog? Always worth reading, Mr Fitzsimon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a bit of a think about this and I&#8217;m not so sure I can accept the idea.</p>
<p>My belief is that a casual acceptance of differing views is the real mark of condescension because it means you don&#8217;t really give a damn about those views. The flip side is that anyone talking about acceptance clearly wishes their views to be accepted too. So it&#8217;s a bit of quid pro quo, which isn&#8217;t really very civil. </p>
<p>Tolerance, on the other hand, provides an environment where views can be discussed. It allows for the human habit of disagreement, even recalcitrance. Tolerance is achievable; acceptance strikes me as too much &#8220;let them eat cake&#8221; &#8230; and we all know where that lead. It&#8217;s very easy to be accepting of things that are far removed from us.</p>
<p>As far as religion goes, I am reminded of something Douglas Adams once said:</p>
<p>&#8220;If somebody thinks taxes should go up or down you are free to have an argument about it, but on the other hand if somebody says &#8216;I mustn&#8217;t move a light switch on a Saturday&#8217;, you say, &#8216;Fine, I respect that&#8217;.&#8221;</p>
<p>By the way: your blog? Always worth reading, Mr Fitzsimon.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeFitz</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23240</link>
		<author>MikeFitz</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 08:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23240</guid>
		<description>G'day Wiley, you say the nicest things. *blush* You can consider yourself accepted, too.

Some people feel really uncomfortable talking about religion.  It's a bit like when you end up at a vegan restaurant and everyone else knows all about these meat substitute thingos and you don't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;day Wiley, you say the nicest things. *blush* You can consider yourself accepted, too.</p>
<p>Some people feel really uncomfortable talking about religion.  It&#8217;s a bit like when you end up at a vegan restaurant and everyone else knows all about these meat substitute thingos and you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Wile1one</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23236</link>
		<author>Wile1one</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 04:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23236</guid>
		<description>I posted the mother of all religious / political posts on  &lt;a href="http://wile1one.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!45E5B24B1DAF822E!318.entry" rel="nofollow"&gt;[ my site ]&lt;/a&gt; Mike...

I have not had one comment...  

There is an argument to be made for who cares about religion...  

My feeling is that faith is between you and God...   everything else is window dressing....  (for God read Buddah... Allah...  etc...)

I would read anything you post because of your pedigree...  not your religion...  Accepting of all is a brilliant concept.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted the mother of all religious / political posts on  <a href="http://wile1one.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!45E5B24B1DAF822E!318.entry" rel="nofollow">[ my site ]</a> Mike&#8230;</p>
<p>I have not had one comment&#8230;  </p>
<p>There is an argument to be made for who cares about religion&#8230;  </p>
<p>My feeling is that faith is between you and God&#8230;   everything else is window dressing&#8230;.  (for God read Buddah&#8230; Allah&#8230;  etc&#8230;)</p>
<p>I would read anything you post because of your pedigree&#8230;  not your religion&#8230;  Accepting of all is a brilliant concept.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeFitz</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23234</link>
		<author>MikeFitz</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23234</guid>
		<description>Hi Steph, of course you are a "Top Friend". However you would know that without having to read about it on some sort of a league table.

Some concepts, like "Top Friends", those eyeball-shattering glitter graphics and outlandish colour schemes are better suited to MySpazz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steph, of course you are a &#8220;Top Friend&#8221;. However you would know that without having to read about it on some sort of a league table.</p>
<p>Some concepts, like &#8220;Top Friends&#8221;, those eyeball-shattering glitter graphics and outlandish colour schemes are better suited to MySpazz.</p>
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		<title>By: steph</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23232</link>
		<author>steph</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 01:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23232</guid>
		<description>Uncle Fitz on Facebook?? If I rejoin can I be in your top friends? :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle Fitz on Facebook?? If I rejoin can I be in your top friends? <img src='http://brisgeek.com/mike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: MikeFitz</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23104</link>
		<author>MikeFitz</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23104</guid>
		<description>You're correct; you said it first. Henceforth, Stuart, I shall no longer tolerate you. Consider yourself understood &#038; accepted!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re correct; you said it first. Henceforth, Stuart, I shall no longer tolerate you. Consider yourself understood &#038; accepted!</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart Fenech</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23102</link>
		<author>Stuart Fenech</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23102</guid>
		<description>Kirby's &lt;a href="http://sfenech.blogspot.com/2006/10/tolerance.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;knocking off&lt;/a&gt; my eccentric ideas! :P

Hear hear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirby&#8217;s <a href="http://sfenech.blogspot.com/2006/10/tolerance.html" rel="nofollow">knocking off</a> my eccentric ideas! <img src='http://brisgeek.com/mike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hear hear!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeFitz</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23097</link>
		<author>MikeFitz</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23097</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Harry Potter and the Order of Dumbledore&lt;/em&gt; - Love it.

Some of my friends use the Religion space to profess their love of their favourite football team. One very religious lady (she's an ex-Catholic nun) refers to her local football team as her "Earthly Religion".

But seriously, what religion we profess to follow is nowhere near as important as how we actually treat other people - no, ALL people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Harry Potter and the Order of Dumbledore</em> - Love it.</p>
<p>Some of my friends use the Religion space to profess their love of their favourite football team. One very religious lady (she&#8217;s an ex-Catholic nun) refers to her local football team as her &#8220;Earthly Religion&#8221;.</p>
<p>But seriously, what religion we profess to follow is nowhere near as important as how we actually treat other people - no, ALL people.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23086</link>
		<author>Amanda</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://mike.brisgeek.com/2007/11/27/tolerance-is-not-enough/#comment-23086</guid>
		<description>I think you said it perfectly, acceptance is a much less condescending way of describing your attitude towards religion. Personally, my Facebook religious status used to read simple "No.", but I've since changed it to "Harry Potter and the Order of Dumbledore" following a discussion elsewhere in blogland regarding the argument that I should accept all Christian teachings based purely on the fact that it's 'written in the Bible'... my argument being that perhaps I could use any book for the same argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you said it perfectly, acceptance is a much less condescending way of describing your attitude towards religion. Personally, my Facebook religious status used to read simple &#8220;No.&#8221;, but I&#8217;ve since changed it to &#8220;Harry Potter and the Order of Dumbledore&#8221; following a discussion elsewhere in blogland regarding the argument that I should accept all Christian teachings based purely on the fact that it&#8217;s &#8216;written in the Bible&#8217;&#8230; my argument being that perhaps I could use any book for the same argument.</p>
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