Comments on: Teacher Jay Bennish, American Hero, suspended for urging students to think critically.

By: BruceCarson2008

BruceCarson2008 — Sat, 26 Mar 2011 03:16:04 +0000

Sure, I can see how that would be a compromise. But Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda do not see pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan as an acceptable middle ground, nor do they see the US merely being friends with Israel as acceptable. For them, any relationship with Israel outside of condemnation and hostility is unacceptable. So what you think of as a middle ground which might “end the war on terror” is for them a radical position not far from the very conditions which for them justified the attack of 9/11. It’s so obvious but none the less worth remembering, when 9/11 happened we were in neither Afghanistan nor Iraq.

By the way, I totally oppose the war in Iraq, and I think in Afghanistan we should have sent in a small contingent of special forces and simply killed Al Qaeda while leaving the Taliban intact. I’m just questioning the notion that there is a reasonable middle ground which would cause the “war on terror” to end.

By: MikeFitz

MikeFitz — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:21:55 +0000

Bruce, this article and these events happened in early 2006. And you are still having trouble “finding the middle ground”?

Can you not see that “the middle ground” is somewhere between the US’s current unflinching support for Israel and your inflamatory “declare war on Israel”?

Sadly, since 2006, very little has changed in places like Iraq - except the bodycount.

By: brucecarson2008

brucecarson2008 — Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:17:42 +0000

You frankly are way off the mark.

Until then, America will never be able to negotiate a middle ground, and never be able to end the war on terror.

Really? Actually, 9/11, and the war on terror started because of America’s support for Israel and the presence of American troops in the middle east (to topple Saddam). So what is the middle ground? What does Al Qaeda demand of us. They think Egypt’s peace treaty with Israel is a betrayal. So the “middle ground” you propose to find would involve declaring war on Israel. Otherwise the only other way to end the war on terror would be to kill all terrorists. Therefore, ending the war on terror is not realistically feasible until the other side changes their demands.

Until then, the West will continue to waste this planet’s resources on an unwinnable war instead of building the schools and hospitals which would finally change the world’s opinion of America.

Waste the planets resources on war? The US military accounts for a tiny portion of resource consumption. If anything this point is neither here nor there and is absurd ontop of it. Schools in the US focus constantly on environmental issues.

Anyway, Jay Bennish was short on facts and heavy on opinion. Much of what he said, for example the US having more nuclear weapons, is factually incorrect. That you think someone who is either ignorant or lying is an “American Hero” says a lot.

By: Al Ramahi

Al Ramahi — Tue, 18 Apr 2006 08:41:33 +0000

Mr. Bennish is, by far, the best teacher I’ve heard lecture. People always try to stay away from politics, which only makes them ignorant when it comes to history and politics. Mr. Bennish gives the right, true and only understanding of the whole situation in the world! Personally, I wish i had such a teacher when i was younger!

By: MikeFitz

MikeFitz — Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:50:42 +0000

John, Thanks for your comments. [Privately, Mr Slater advises that he was studying “english”.] I agree, there’s probably little place for politics in the course you have paid to study. You have a right to be outraged.

However, in Mr Bennish’s case, political discussion was clearly part of the course. Here’s an extract from the course description which was signed by both parents and students at the commencement of the course:

“Important themes include: population, religion, human rights, notions of development and underdevelopment, impact of colonialism historically and currently, sustainability, impacts of modernization on developing countries, globalization of economy and culture, political and international conflict, cultural diversity, and global environmental concerns. To that end, a deeper understanding of current events from a historical and geographical perspective is imperative. Thus, timely issues and events in the news will be tied into the overall framework of the course.”

I have listened to the tape and all I heard was a teacher enthusiastically doing his job. He deserves the hero tag for that plus the unwarranted criticism he has suffered.

Also, no problems with the Saddam-Hitler comparison.

Cheers, Mike

By: John Slater

John Slater — Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:12:13 +0000

I’m a 24 year old graduate student from TN. Every teacher I’ve had since high school has brought politics to the classroom. I pay for an education, not to hear a teachers’ opinions on politics. Teachers should stick to teaching about whatever subject they are hired to teach. A lot of teachers have wasted my time (and money) during class complaining about conservative/republican politics. People are acting like this guy is some kind of hero; that without him or people like him kids couldn’t think for themselves. I think for myself, and I’m beginning to think that the medio and liberals are trying to target children just like tobacco companies. Filling their heads with stuff like our President is like Hitler? Our President hasn’t killed 6,000,000 Jews, in fact I think he’s probably saved the lives of a million. If anything compare Sadam to Hitler.

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By: Dave Blaine

Dave Blaine — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:41:10 +0000

There is a lot going on here; there are many issues disturbing Americans and the world alike. To try to confine it to the actual issues, it seems that a responsible teacher should play devils advocate and pose discomforting questions to a class long indoctrinated with a one sided view of current world events. There is more going on in politics than meets the eye. To deny it is moronic. Who spends millions of dollars of their own money plus hundreds of millions in contributions to secure a temporary position paying only a few hundred thousand dollars back? Only someone who knows that they can affect the legal and social structure of a nation in their own favor, in ways that will repay those millions by one thousand fold. And who thinks that when anyone, a teacher, a journalist, who has no vested interest (read “their own money tied up”) will be allowed to challenge the system and get away with it? But there is hope. The American voters have a say.
That is why the Republicans have just gone against the president’s wishes in the Dubai port deal, because they fear their constiutents anger worse than the rath of a lame duck president, even when that president belongs to their own party. An ignorant voter is the politicans best friend. A voter who believes what he is told by politicans, via a biased and bought off press, is the politicans best friend. The worst enemy of a politician is the voter who has been taught by people like Bennish, taught to examine ALL sides of an issue and think independently, analytically. God save Jay Bennish, the United States of America and the rest of the world.

By: Jeff Martin

Jeff Martin — Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:10:11 +0000

As a teacher I can tell you I am exquisitely proud of Mr. Bennish. All those who would have him toe the party line can go get their own teaching certificate, give up their cushy Halliburton $150 k deskjob and go teach—say what they gotta say—anyone who criticizes him is just a poor sport. They say “get over it” when Democrats or anyone else questions the veracity of either of the last 2 “elections”, but they can’t get over the fact that we still have the right to speak out, complain or otherwise state our opinions about bush in whatever fashion we deem satisfactory.

By: Julie O.

Julie O. — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:14:52 +0000

El Presidente makes the argument that Jay Bennish is passing off his own views as lecture points. The problem is, we don’t know that Jay Bennish actually does hold those views. It seems to me that there is very little opinion which can be attributed to Bennish himself.

He states directly that he thought Bush’s SOTU had the tone of a Hitler speech. I think that is the only time he truly shares his own opinion.

There are other times he seems to share his opinions, like that the U.S. is the most violent nation on Earth. But those are actually facts that may be disputed (a more accurate and fair statement may have been “The U.S., considered by many to be the greatest democracy on Earth, is one of the most violent nations on Earth).

He suggests by implication what he *may* think, if you jump to conclusions — like that the Iraq war may have been started mainly for profit, or that capitalism may be inhumane. But those, if the context of the entire class were known, may actually be opinions of others which he passes on. He was talking about Venezuela when the recording started. Could he have been referring to why people like Hugo Chavez would urge the world to transcend capitalism?

Other opinions he shared, such as that the United States and Israel are terrorists, are definitely attributed to others.

What is always left out when Bennish is being castigated for indoctrinating students and not fostering critical thinking is the fact that the students were expected to research, analyze, and dissect everything said in class, and write a paper or make an oral argument for extra credit.